From dmulholl@cs.indiana.edu Thu Feb 16 14:19:29 1995 Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by whale.cs.indiana.edu (5.65c/9.4jsm) id AA16383; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:19:28 -0500 Received: from flute.cs.indiana.edu by moose.cs.indiana.edu (5.65c/9.4jsm) id AA07333; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:19:27 -0500 Received: by flute.cs.indiana.edu (5.65c/9.4jsm) id AA27201; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:19:26 -0500 Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 14:19:26 -0500 From: "Daniel Yaqob" To: dmulholl@cs.indiana.edu, fisseha@gerbil.cig.mot.com, ybf2u@curry.edschool.virginia.edu Subject: Delete Last, Read This Status: R Sorry, I attached the incorrect older letter of yonas... ahem, btw the last letter I sent you I did not send to the group, but since you replied to the group with it -can you send it back please? or go ahead and post it to the group. I guess my juvenility must now go on the permanent record... Really, this question must be framed in the context of how the Amharic and Tigrigna writer views the role of these characters in a sentence. And what is the logical context to order them in? Is "abruptness and duration of pause" ordering the most sensible? I think earlier we had order them by glyph similarity. I'll check my fidel poster tonight. I *think* the ordering was like: " " . , ; : ? The question mark was english though, The above for Ethiopic doesn't bother me, but I want to have a concrete reason for it. To order the punctuation by SOME concept of flow control is highly logical to me, but may reuslt in an untraditional (or uncommon) arrangemnt. Hmmm, in the bigger picture, when latin punctuatinon is used with Ethiopic, such as - + / \ ( ) $ % etc, which takes lexicographic precedence? Will latin punct come before ethiopic punct or after? Will it come before Ethiopic numbers or after all of fidel? What about the arabic numbers where do they... Sigh, maybe Unicode addressing defines this for the world. Q: Will the matrix need a $ sign ? Whenever I see the br mark it is a dollar sign but always with two || and not | which is often what the latin font gives. Do we want to but the two || dollar sign in the address table so people can be assured it is availabe? Feedback please... -dan'El >From fisseha@cig.mot.com Thu Feb 16 13:08:03 1995 Received: from moose.cs.indiana.edu by whale.cs.indiana.edu (5.65c/9.4jsm) id AA14820; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:08:02 -0500 Received: from motgate.mot.com by moose.cs.indiana.edu (5.65c/9.4jsm) id AA29856; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:08:00 -0500 Received: from pobox.mot.com by motgate.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA02985; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:07:58 -0600 Received: from po_box.cig.mot.com by pobox.mot.com with SMTP (5.67b/IDA-1.4.4/MOT-3.1 for ) id AA04071; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:07:57 -0600 Received: from gerbil.cig.mot.com (gerbil.cig.mot.com [136.182.7.220]) by po_box.cig.mot.com (8.6.9/SCERG-RELAY-1.11) with ESMTP id NAA19510 for ; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 13:09:30 -0500 Received: (fisseha@localhost) by gerbil.cig.mot.com (8.6.9/SCERG-1.12B) id MAA26162 for dmulholl@cs.indiana.edu; Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:07:56 -0600 From: Yonas Fisseha Message-Id: <199502161807.MAA26162@gerbil.cig.mot.com> Subject: Re: Punctuation Picayune To: dmulholl@cs.indiana.edu (Daniel Yaqob) Date: Thu, 16 Feb 1995 12:07:56 -0600 (CST) In-Reply-To: <199502121952.NAA01260@gerbil.cig.mot.com> from "Daniel Yaqob" at Feb 12, 95 02:52:51 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL21] Content-Type: text Content-Length: 1043 Status: R dan> dan> dan> character's, um... `abruptness to sentence flow', as it were. That is dan> a , is less abrupt to flow than ; or : or . or ! etc. dan> dan> This is how I view the order of non-spoken characters as per their role of dan> pause in sentence flow: dan> dan> " " < , < ; < : < . < ? < ! [" " is a SPACE] i think ; and : should be switched around. from webster: semicolon :a punctuation mark ; used chiefly in a coordinating function between major sentence elements (as independent clauses of a compound sentence) colon :a puntuation mark : used chiefly to direct attention to matter (as a list, explanation, or quotation) that follows it just seems colons dont introduce as much "abruptness to sentence flow" as semicolons do. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Yonas Fisseha, Software Engineer (708)632-6340 Pager: 0113 Motorola, Wireless System Platforms fisseha@cig.mot.com -----------------------------------------------------------------------